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I’m just back from an ISSWSH meeting, which I highly recommend that you guys do if you haven’t been yet. Here’s their website for the Fall course. Maybe once every year or two I recommend. You can see the content is pretty amazing. These are the handouts that they had. I thought I would just run through some of the highlights of the lecture that Andrew Goldstein gave on dyspareunia.


Dyspareunia, as you guys know, to a gynecologist, it’s like saying back pain to a orthopedic surgeon or an internist—the etiologies are so numerous that it’s almost the name of a symptom not a diagnosis. Although there was an article, an editorial, in the Green Journal Obstetrics and Gynecology about three years ago now where the editor said, “We’re not treating it as well as we can, and often times it really does go undiagnosed.” But even with that being the case, it’s worth looking at in more detail, the different diagnoses/etiologies

I’m going to unmute your mic, Kathleen, because I know you’ve been to this meeting (ISSWSH). You are going to have things to say about it. It would be very helpful to talk about it, I think. I don’t know if you’re able to talk. Can you hear me, Kathleen?

Kathleen Posey: Yeah, I can hear you. Can you hear me?

Charles Runels: Yep. We’re recording this because even though not so many compared to speaking, not a huge percentage of our people make it to the call, usually it’s in the neighborhood of 20 or 30 people out of over 1,000 people, I think it’s really worth thinking about pain/dyspareunia.

The good news is that often times when we have pain and it’s not easily diagnosed, our O-Shot® procedure seems to be working. Whether it’s healing damaged tissue or if it’s causing a decrease in inflammation like it does with lichen, I don’t know. But I thought we’d run through these known causes. I don’t pretend to be giving this presentation the way Andrew Goldstein gives it, but I’ll hit the headlights, the highlights. Hopefully, you guys can hear the lecture for yourself sometime in the next year or so.

This is the textbook that he helped edit about dyspareunia, which I highly recommend that you go through this. Eventually, I think there will be a chapter about an O-Shot. You can find this on Amazon.

This is the one, the version that he wrote for patients.

These are the known causes [see video]. Talk about this for a second, Kathleen. What on here do you see us helping with? Obviously, we wouldn’t try to treat fibroids with an O-Shot, but talk about this list for a second, and just the diagnosis of dyspareunia in general. Can you see it?

Kathleen Posey: Yeah, I can see it. I basically put PRP wherever the pain is. I map it out. I rule out the things like yeast infections, chlamydia, endometriosis, PID. I treat them just like we would treat those, but usually when there’s no reason, I just get out that Q-tip or just my index finger and say, “Where’s the pain? Does it hurt here?” Then I put the PRP.

Actually, a case I talked about a couple weeks ago was a anal cancer in a 40 year old that had radiation and complained of menopause and decreased lubrication. She went to a plastic surgeon who did Thermi-va on her, which only made her small vagina smaller. But mainly the pain was a posterior fourchette. I did put the PRP and did an O-Shot® because I do both. About two to three weeks later, her pain got better. That’s my method.

You can look at all these diagnoses. We know how to treat most of these things, but it’s the unknown ideology of the pain that I think the PRP helps. It doesn’t always. I had a classic vulvodynia around Hart’s line that was real painful, and she really didn’t respond that well, but that’s just one out of the many that I’ve treated. I’ll still try it on another patient like that, too. I wouldn’t limit it to that.

Charles Runels: Beautiful. Let me add to what you just said.

First of all, I agree. Most of the people, by the time they get to us for an O-Shot®, the patient’s already, before they are willing to pay cash, they’ve already been to other physicians and had lots of tests done. The good is that most of these things, if they were there, have already been treated.

The other thing I would add, which I know you do this, Kathleen. I know you treat some people for free, as do I, and that we’re both careful not to keep money if people don’t get well. I highly, highly recommend that everyone do that. If you’re treating pain and someone doesn’t get well and you keep their money, they feel like we stole from them. Even though we’re not used to giving back copays or whatever, insurance doesn’t refund money if we don’t … Obviously, we know we can’t get everyone well, highly recommend that if you treat someone for pain, and they don’t get well, either repeat it or refund their money.

By the way, the reason I’m talking to Dr. Posey for those of you that don’t know, you’ve been involved with the group right now for quite a few years. She’s been teaching it to other gynecologists. She’s a gynecologist, board certified, out of the New Orleans area, who has recently presented some research where she treated lichen sclerosis with a combination of surgical procedures and PRP, and teaches that method. A lot of experience seeing many thousands of women over the years as gynecologist and very well-trained, busy surgeon in the day. Back in the day, I know you were a high … Anyway, lots of experience.

Back to this list. Back to the list. The endometriosis, obviously, you wouldn’t treat it. The psychological, that hopefully is going to be teased out with your conversation. I wouldn’t try to treat psychological, obviously, with PRP. But let’s get to some of these pictures, though, because I think a lot of our providers don’t really know what to look for. I know that you’ve seen quite a few people who are being followed by a gynecologist-

Charles Runels: Some of these women, saw gynecologists who never diagnosed the pathology the gyn just went for the pap smear and never stopped to look at what was going on.

You just mentioned … This, by the way, is his algorithm for pain. I don’t show this, obviously, expecting anybody to memorize this whole thing from my overview here, but I just want people to realize there’s some thought that goes into figuring out pain. They’re not just willy-nilly treating someone without making sure that someone, if they’re not a gynecologist or a dermatologist, that someone hasn’t thought through a differential diagnosis … If there’s a rash for example, it should be biopsied. Someone should be thinking about that.

This first one is a big one. There is a pain disorder that’s associated with low testosterone. This is stressed over and over when I talk to people who treat a lot of vaginal and vulvar pain. The vagina and the vulva needs testosterone to stay healthy, and there’s a actual syndrome associated with pain and birth control pills, which almost always drops testosterone levels. Some women are susceptible to that, and some are not, but that’s something to think about.

This vestibulodynia of different ideologies is a whole subject in itself, but interestingly, I did meet a woman at this last ISSWSH meeting who had a woman with long standing vestibulodynia that was of this [neuroproliperative 00:09:01] type that responded to our PRP. Somehow it decreased that inflammatory whatever makes things go on here. This is a whole area for research that we need to take up, talk about. But obviously this is not a healthy looking vestibule. When you have this erythema around Hart’s line, then it’s worth thinking about testosterone creams. I think it’s worth trying our PRP as a way to modulate that.

Again, I’m just skimming through this just so you can see this should be thought about. This is that Hart’s line that you just heard Dr. Posey talk about that one. That’s inflamed, and this responded to using testosterone and estrogen creams.

Our O-Shot® is not the cure all, end all, be all, but I think it’s an extra tool that can be used in the thoughtful treatment of these problems, so I just-

I just wanted people to get a look at what some of this neuroproliferative. Vestibulodynia is a horrible problem. Basically, someone stays inflamed to the point that then if the inflammatory agent is removed they still stay inflamed.

A lot of times, they’re treated with creams that have some sort of propylene glycol or paraben in it that causes the inflammation. You’ve got inflammation, you treat it with a cream that actually causes a chronic inflammation to the point that when it stops, sometimes they’re left with a continued process that turns into this.

I think that was the main thing. The other thing to think about is here’s the pelvic floor muscles. Normally, these have been treated historically by palpating, as you heard Dr. Posey talk about, palpating and finding the place where a person’s tender, just like you would look for trigger points in a tender back and in the same way that physiatrists are now injecting PRP to treat this.

When you find that tenderness, you can now inject PRP. That will usually hurt worse for about a week and then it goes away. You have anything to add to these pelvic floor injections?

Kathleen: Not really. I’ve never really done them. I refer to pelvic floor PT, but I will say that even of the lichen sclerosus patients I’ve seen, a lot of them have pelvic floor dysfunction. You just touch them and their levator ani muscle just almost goes into spasm. It’s interesting, a lot of women when they’re touched, they wanna squeeze that butt together and I’m telling them, “Look, put your butt down into the table.” There’s a lot of comorbidity there with vulvar pain and then these muscles getting involved is what I see.

Charles Runels: Just to add to that, we do have people in our group who work with the pelvic floor therapists. I know you have them in New Orleans. Our little town doesn’t have one. But that’s a good referral source. One of our people actually had a pelvic floor therapist put a satellite office in their office actually they had a good working relationship [inaudible 00:12:30]. His O-Shot helps her therapy work better. That’s worth looking into.

The way that he established that relationship is he just had her bring one of her patients over and he treated the patient with the therapist in the room so she could see what was involved. Then she went back and did this therapy as she normally would and had a nice result. It’s a way both to help their therapies work better and to help everybody’s business. Let’s see.

Kathleen: At the conference in Boston, they talked about putting Valium in the vagina.

Charles Runels: They did.

Kathleen: Did they talk about that at all?

Charles Runels: They did. It didn’t seem to be as helpful, at least the feeling I got from the lectures, as using Botox. That was something that was talked about.

We don’t have the research showing that our PRP works with pelvic floor trigger points, but it should apply, since that research has been done in the physiatry literature with back pain.

They did talk at ISSWAH about trigger point injections of Botox and they mention diazepam and suppositories, but Botox seemed to be the first choice on the menu (before diazepam).

100 units is what they talked about using, which would be one bottle of cosmetic Botox. Some are doing it under anesthesia. I know Andrew Goldstein was saying he likes to use it without general anesthesia so he can tell better about where to put it.

Let’s see. I think that was the main thing I wanted people to see was just that. Oh, yeah. He does a vulvar vestibulectomy but he says he does a whole lot less of these than he did in the beginning of his career when people were not using testosterone creams.

It was really talked about a lot, especially in someone who’s on birth control and how common it is that that gets dropped in people who develop these pain syndromes, not just this vestibulitis pain syndrome. But this is a last resort, obviously, but it’s something that’s done just to know what’s out there. It can be done if somebody develops this pain that just won’t go away.

I think that we’ll find that there’ll at least be a subset of these people that get better with our O-Shot. We’ll see. I think that was the main thing I wanted to show. I don’t feel like it’s my place to just put all this stuff out since it’s their intellectual property, but I just wanted people to see that there’s a lot of stuff out there and it’s worth, I think, attending one of their meetings. It’s called ISSWSH, International Society for the Study of Women’s Sexual Health. Maybe go there once every couple of years and get a good update.

Amnion with the Priapus Shot® Procedure

Okay. We didn’t have as many questions this week as we normally do. We had one question that showed up on the Priapus shot website about has anyone used PRP combined with amnion with the Priapus shot. Some of us have, but I don’t think I have enough experience yet to tell you that it’s working better. I think it would be worth trying if someone didn’t respond and you were treated Peyronie’s disease especially if you’re trying to heal scar tissue, or someone just wanted to get the best that you knew to do.

Again, amnion is not stem cells, it’s where you’re harvesting the proteins from the amniotic membrane and then they gamma-radiate it. There’s nothing living in there. You just have the cellular proteins, the amino acid peptide chains that code for wound healing. That research has been done. I think just as a general help, I always like to add in a couple things that have to do with marketing and something to do with business.

Press. Men’s Health

We got a really big hit that’s worth talking about when it comes to the Priapus Shot® procedure. If any of you guys are doing this, it’s worth talking about. Dr. Gaines is in our group and he popularized the Gains Wave™, which is combining the Priapus Shot® with shockwave therapy.

You can see the guy in the Men’s Health article talks about the Priapus Shot® itself, or the P-Shot®, and it’s a very complimentary article, somewhat sensational, but he’s an entertainer. This is “Men’s Health,” this is not “The New England Journal.”

Obviously, we don’t make claims we can’t fulfill and you want to have a consent form and make sure that your explanation is not the same as “Men’s Health” magazine, but Lord knows we get huge amounts of negative press that’s absolutely uninformed and factually wrong. Someone wants to make this a little bit entertaining by talking about his penis he claims was 10 inches when he put it in the pump, I don’t know, maybe it was 10 inches. Who knows? But I’m not one to dispute him.

It’s a nice article that at least can start the conversation and maybe lead to you helping some people who need your help for their erectile dysfunction. That article’s there if you just Google “Priapus shot in Men’s Health.” Some of us are combining the shockwave therapy when people want it. Just so you know, if you look on our director, PriapusShot.com/members/directory, I added a logo so that if you’re using shockwave therapy people can find you.

Also, I know Dr. Posey uses the- That right there, that’s our shockwave logo.

Our Directory and Helping People Find You

If you are doing shockwave therapy and want the logo by your name, let me know and I’ll add it.

If you go to the O-Shot® directory, we have a logo now if you’re doing radio frequency. I think what’s gonna happen is as the research becomes more available, as we do more research, then people are going to want different flavors of our procedure based on their problem. I know there are some things that one of these machines, like Dr. Posey just mentioned, someone who had dyspareunia had a small, constricted introitus, that’s not the place to use your radio frequency device.

But you can see I added this. This is what I added, Kathleen, to indicate you’re doing radio frequency. If you want one of those by your name, just send it to support. I’m gonna put it in here…


I just put it in the chat box. You just send that and let us know and we’ll put the little thing. This means you’re treating lichen, this means you’ve put five people in our research project or a survey, this means that you’re using radio frequency device, and we have one for laser’s too. I need to update.

This is the legend so that whomever’s using this directory knows what these little symbols mean. I just added this last week, so I need to add that to the legend so that people know that means you have Thermi-O or radio frequency device.

So, let’s see Dr. Desmond Ebanks just put something in the chat box. So, the automatic pump he uses, I don’t, the guy talks about this pump like it’s the bomb. Who knows if that’s part of his journalistic license, but he talks about this pump as being a pretty intelligent thing, so I’ll ask Dr. Gains what brand of pump they’re using.

Let’s see whats the other question…
which shockwave device do you recommend? As far as the shockwave device, what I have right now is the E-Vive. There are others out there, I think they’re all made by, or most of the main brands are made by the same company. They’re kinda re-branded, depending on who’s selling it. So I think a lot of it comes down to who you want to work with. And who’s having a good deal, and good support. But right now, I have the E-Vive, which is the one Eclipse sells, in my office.

Treating Acne

Let’s see, Dana Kirk just said here, okay, so here’s the question from Dana. She says, “Often the Vampire Facial®’s being administered for acne scarring often have some leftovers. Anyone injecting into the larger pock marks? If so, is it worth activating?”

Ok, so this is a good question about acne. When I treat acne, I use micro-needling. But two tips on that….

First of all, if it’s in their budget to do Juvederm. If you think about what happens to the divet, or say the divets in say a basketball, if you put more air in it? The divets become more shallow, just from expanding the ball. So even before you treat the pocks marks, or treat the acne scars, if you’ll use some Juvederm, if they can tolerate it, as in, do they have any room for some improvement in the cheeks, and if it’s a female, almost always they do, unless they’re obese, they’ll have some. You can add to their cheeks and things look better. And the acne scars are already smaller (before you actually treat them). At least the ones in the cheek area.

Then, micro-needle with PRP (Vampire Facial®), but also go intra-dermal and sub-dermal with your PRP, subsize/undermine the scar, just like you would if you were treating acne scars before we had the Vampire Facial®, so taking the bevel of your needle and sub-sizing the scar releases it some. I

Inject a little PRP sub-dermally, inject some intra-dermally, and then micro-needle on top of it. Intra-dermally as in blanching the skin.

And all those combined will get a really nice result. Usually I treat them every six weeks for three treatments, and they love it.

As far as activating it for the face, I usually don’t (I used to do so). Because I don’t think it adds to it enough to warrant the extra pain. In the face. But I do activate the PRP in the O-Shot®, the P-Shot®, and for loss of sensation in the breast.

The Order to Do Shock Wave, Radiofrequency, & O-Shot® or P-Shot®

So Sherry, I don’t see your question, it just says … maybe you can type it again. Okay, wait, here it is… “Does it matter which order you do the p shot, the shockwave therapy, and did the p shot … okay….”

So, the way I think about the energy, whether it’s shockwave, laser, or radio frequency, the way I’m thinking about it is, if you’ve ever used, say, insulin or growth hormone, if you just take, if you buy Omnitrope or a growth hormone, or Genitropin, whatever brand. These are small amino acid or peptide chains. It will tell you not to shake, to gently stir when you put the water in. Just shaking the vial, it mechanically shears the amino acid protein chains, so it’s like taking the words of the sentence and just chopping them up and turning them into letters. And now that amino acid chain no longer acts as a small peptide signal. Right? So these amino acid chains act as signals that plug in to receptors on the cell, and that’s how growth hormone, that’s how insulin, it’s how all those amino acid chains work.

Over 200 made by the pituitary gland that we know about. Peptide chain signals. So, imagine if you did that, I have no research to back this up, but imagine if you injected a peptide chain, and then now you hit it with shockwaves. In the same way, imagine what happens to an egg when you put it in a skillet and fry it. Obviously those peptides or those proteins are being changed.

So the bottom line is, I like to use the energy, whether it’s shockwaves, lasers, radio frequency, whatever it is. Use that on the tissue first. And then immediately afterwards, same visit, then apply your PRP. Now if you want to, if you did the shockwave yesterday, or last week, or three weeks ago, or a month ago, and you wanted to do PRP after that, that’s fine, you’re not hurting anything. And if you want to, if you did the PRP three weeks ago and now you want to add the energy, you can. But in my opinion, as soon as you add the energy, you are probably shutting down whatever growth was taking place, from the PRP that you put. So it’s like you’re stopping, it’d be like you just watered a seed, the stem cells are [inaudible 00:25:26] stem cells that you just put there. And now if you’re trying to generate more growth by damaging tissue, now you’re crushing the little sprout or whatever tissue is growing. You’re crushing it or injuring it, in my opinion, if you didn’t do the shockwave therapy before it has a chance to mature.

So I would try to do them back-to-back on the same visit. And not do anything else mechanical to disturb the growth of the pluripotent stem cells until at least six weeks out, maybe even eight. To give what you did a chance to work.

So if you did the P-Shot® three weeks ago, yeah, you could do the shockwave now, but you’d probably be stopping whatever further benefit might have occurred from that original P-Shot®. It might be better to give it at least another three weeks before you did the shockwave therapy.

How Your Losing the Chance to Take Care of at Least 30% of the People who Visit Your Website…

Okay. Let me give you guys, I don’t see any other questions that are up. I want to give you guys one quick marketing tip, and then unless somebody has another question, we’ll shut it down.

This one has to do with when people get to your website. It is something you can ask your web designer for. This is my old internal medicine website. And this is just a form and here’s the scenario that will happen. And this is why this form is so important. You don’t have to make it, I just want you to know it exists, and this is a ten minute job for your marketing person. And if you don’t have one of these, you’re losing about at least 30 to 40% of the traffic that you could be getting to call your office.

So let’s say that you’re in, let’s say that you’re, you do an o shot, or you do a vampire, or you just do a pap smear on someone. And they go back home, and they go to Thanksgiving dinner. And they tell their mother, sister, friend, cousin, whatever, how wonderful you are. And they say, oh, what’s their name. And they say, oh, it’s Dr. Posey.

So now they take out their cell phone, or they remember the name and tomorrow, day after Thanksgiving, they google you. And they wind up on your website. If all you have is stuff for them to read, they read it and they go away. And there’s very good chance that a week from now, they’re not thinking about you. It’s all done. They will never become your patient.

If you put something on here that they can have for free, that costs you nothing, not a free consult, it’s gotta be something that costs you nothing. If you put something on here that they can have for free, and we’ve all done this before, that’s worth something to them, but costs you nothing, somewhere between ten and 30 percent of the people who land there will do that.

And then, now you have their email address. They start getting your newsletter, and a certain percentage of those will eventually become your patients. So it gives you a chance- this is not the main way you get your patients. Most of your patients are gonna be word of mouth, or someone googling you. But this plugs the hole, and it will increase the number of people you have by about 20 to 30 percent, that come in through your website, by capturing those people who would have never called you, had you not created this form.

And the way you ask for it, is you decide something you’re going to give away, first of all. It could be, and I, it should be a podcast or an email, or downloadable book. It doesn’t even have to be your podcast. What I’m giving away here is a podcast where I’ve just recorded for an hour the benefits of walking. So it says, number one weight loss melt secret, free immediate download. So that takes them, you ask them for the first name and email address, and when they give you that, now they’re on your email list, every time you send out an email, they get it. And as soon as they do that, and you can sign up for this so you can see how it works, as soon as they enter that data, they’re taken to the place to download that.

So, it could be an email, excuse me, it could be a podcast or a video that you made. I know Dr. Posey made one on incontinence. So it could be free video on the treatment of incontinence. In exchange for first name and email. And so you tell your, here’s what you say to your web person, if you want to do this, you should write this down. And this works for Constant Contact, A-webber, Ontraport (what I use most), Mail Chimp, all those different places.

All those different places, it all works the same. And you can go online and figure how to do this yourself, but it’s a 30-minute job at most for whoever does your websites for you. You say you want a form and you want it to be in the right upper-hand corner of your website. On the homepage at least, maybe on all your pages, but at least on your homepage. And it should offer the thing that you’re giving away. And it should only ask for their first name and their email address, that’s it. If you ask for last name, you’ll lose about half of them. So first name and email address.

And then you let them know that you’re putting out a new health lessons every two weeks. Don’t call your newsletter a newsletter. Nobody really cares about your news. Give them a name that implies some sort of benefit. So I call this Health Lessons. You can call yours whatever. And then tell your person to put that on the form.

If you supply them the link to the thing you want to give away … You realize also on Amazon, there’s a lot of books for free. You could literally find a book that you can read on Kindle for free and give that away. But I recommend you find something either audible of a podcast or a video. Preferably something that you did. And that’s it. That one thing is gonna increase the production of new patients by your website by 20 to 30 percent. Now we talk more about this sort of thing in my workshop where I teach marketing, but there’s your freebie right there that is just some of the best stuff.

Okay. Let’s see if there’s any other questions and then we’ll shut this down. We didn’t have a lot of questions on the websites. Okay. I think that’s it. You want to add anything? And thank you for helping us, Dr. Posey. I know you’ve had a lot of … I think more experience with treating lichen with PRP than anybody.

Do you still treat the clitoris even if the woman is there for urinary incontinence?

By the way, the way I think about this, it’s all the freaking O-Shot, it’s just we’re varying the way we do it. Just like you do a hysterectomy and you vary the method based on who you’re taking care of. It’s all the same thing. But Dr. Posey made a good point and this is worth remembering, because some people asked me if they’re there for incontinence, do you still treat the clitoris? Or if they’re there for sex, do you still treat the anterior vaginal wall? Or if they’re there for lichen, do you still do the rest of the O-Shot? Or for pain, do you still do the rest of the O-Shot?

There’s two reasons why you treat all of it. One is people lie about sex. Everybody does. And so if someone says they’re there for incontinence, maybe they’re not. Maybe they’re just too embarrassed to tell you. Or maybe they’re living alone, single and they don’t want to tell you they have a lover. Whatever reason. Maybe they just decided it’s not your business. And of course, you would want to treat the clitoris if you’re treating for sex, but you would also want to treat it for incontinence because if you look at the anatomy, the clitoral tissue actually comes around and forms some of the structure for urinary incontinence.

Also, it could be that those nerves of micturition that come down through that area are helped and our clitoris is acting like the wick to help rejuvenate those nerves of micturition. We do know that we have people with urgent incontinence that are getting better as well. And we’re not sure exactly why.

So I always treat the clitoris even if it’s for incontinence. And of course, if you read Grafenberg, the urethra is very erotic in women and you would definitely want to treat (even if there for sex). Also, you have the female prostate gland or the Skene’s glands, so you would definitely want to treat the anterior vaginal wall, not just the clitoris if you were treating for sex because the urethra is such a sexual organ as well.

And if you’re treating lichen and you’re hopeful that it’s going to get better, and you’re down there anyway, why wouldn’t you go ahead and treat the structures that have to do with sex so that that can be recovering at the same time you’re treating the lichen itself?

One big plug though, if they have sclerosis or phimosis, where you cannot pull that clitoral hood back, which many of them do, then you can go ahead and treat them, but make sure that you don’t stop there and you refer them to Dr. Posey or someone else in our group who knows how … If you don’t know how, someone else who knows how to free up that clitoral phimosis. So if you can’t retract the clitoral hood all the way back to see the shaft, if all you can see is the tip of the glans or if you can’t even see the glans, then they need a surgical consult from one of the people in our group so that that can be exposed and be more responsive. It’s hard to have good sex if you can’t get to the clitoris.

Okay. I think that’s enough rambling. Anybody else have any questions? If not, I’m gonna shut it down. Thank you for your help, Dr. Posey. Thank you guys for being here. I’ll put a recording up by the end of the day.

What can you measure with a ruler that gives a clue about a woman’s ability to have an orgasm?

Kathleen: I just wanna say something that I hear … I mean it’s going off on a little bit of a tangent. But to me, a lot of times, they want the O-Shot because they want that penis and vagina orgasm. And yes, it does help that somewhat, but I’m really … I look at a lot of vaginas, and I’m really paying attention to that distance between the clit and the vagina and/or urethra. And it really … You oughta start looking at it, Charles, because it varies with women. Some of them, it is like five to seven inches.

Charles: Yeah, it’s huge.

Kathleen: When I talk to those people, they have never had a penis and vagina orgasm. It might be something to really examine the person before. And if you really talk to them about why they really want the O-Shot, I’m seeing 70 percent of them really want that penis and vagina. And it’s being advertised or said it’s gonna make them have that. Just be careful because if that distance is a long way, yeah, the orgasm will get better. But to bring you to surgery, in my opinion.

Charles: Let me add to that. First of all, what you said is backed up by research. And that research I think is actually on our O-Shot website. But there was MRI studies showing that the further the clitoris is from the vagina, the harder … It was a correlation between … It was done about two years ago. You know this research, so you’re seeing it actually in your patients.

But there was a study where radiologists looked at women who can easily have orgasm and those who have trouble. And the distance from the clitoris to the vagina correlated with ability to have orgasm. And the size of the clitoris correlated.

Now, her conclusion was that she showed it, but there was nothing to do about it. Actually, we do know some things to do about it, putting someone on testosterone is going to make the clitoris larger. And it could be that doing our O-Shot® procedure actually helps, even though it’s not going to make that distance shorter or smaller, it could perhaps make it more responsive. But there’s also always a place for surgery, and there are ways to do that that you specialize in and others in our group to bring things closer together.

Now, and I’ll also say that of the things that we treat, trying to help a woman achieve penis and vagina orgasm, who is able to have it with a vibrator, is one of our more difficult problems. I think our success is probably in the 30 to 40 percent range in that group. Where if you’re treating incontinence in a younger woman, stress incontinence is probably closer to 80 to 90 percent.

So I agree that something ... And it brings up another point in that I recommend, especially in the beginning, that people stick to the problems that we have the high success rate, so the provider doesn't become discouraged. I know you were very motivated and trusting it. But way back, years ago, when we didn't have so many people doing this and we had less research to back it up. But anybody, even with our current researcher who is just starting out, they should probably avoid treating, I think, until they have some success under their belt, the people who never had an orgasm because those are the people who are more difficult and probably they're always gonna need testosterone on top of what we're doing, I think.

And the people who we just mentioned trying to have an orgasm with penis and vagina sex, they're more difficult. Stick to the stress incontinence, the dyspareunia, the lichen sclerosis, the women who can have an orgasm and wants to be stronger, those are our more easier cases. And in all cases, always, always, always, in my opinion, if they don't get well by the end of 12 weeks, then either offer them another treatment or give them their money back because we can make a profit and take good care of people without having to have people feel like we ripped them off.

Anything else, Kathleen?

Kathleen: I didn’t mean to say it wouldn’t help because I do think it helps and I do think you can even … I think the O-Shot, by putting it in the vagina, does shorten the distance a little bit. And maybe millimeters like what the P-Shot is doing. And it can get better, it just can’t … When you really see a big long distance, I would ask them and then I would just say, “Your orgasm is probably gonna get stronger, easier to obtain, but it may not help that.” I don’t know, it’s hard to give them a negative … I wouldn’t give them a negative embedded command. Just watch it if they’re there for penis and vagina orgasm.

Charles: I’ll tell you what I tell everybody. It’s good advice. And what I tell everyone when I’m leaving the room is I’ll say, “You just spent whatever amount of money it is. And for that much money, you have to love it. And if you don’t love it, I want to know about it.” Because of course, I’m gonna be following up with them. But what I found when I follow up with some of the people … So when people contact me and they tell me they’re not happy, I refer them to the doctor who took care of them because I’m not their doctor. So I don’t need to be involved. But it’s helpful for me to know who took care of them. Then I call the doctor and talk to them and see if I can offer help.

But back to this thing about satisfaction and setting expectations. I think that what I’ve seen happen sometimes when people are not happy is they never let their doctor know. Because maybe they’re afraid they’re gonna hurt their feelings or there’s gonna be some sort of conflict or something. I think it’s helpful to actually tell your patient, “I want to know. I want to know if you don’t love it because I want to take care of you, and I don’t want you to feel like that our energy and time and your money has been wasted.” And that really helps a lot, both with you getting them well and helps prevent them sliding away disgruntled without you ever knowing about it.

And in the process, you can say what you just mentioned, Kathleen, that if it’s a more difficult case, it’s worth telling them, “This is something that a percentage of,” if you’re dealing with someone who’s trying to have an orgasm with penis and vagina sex, “This is something that doesn’t work as well. We have a much higher percentage with treating stress incontinence, but we do have successes that by our surveys, are in the 30 to 40 percent range. If you want to try it, we’ll do it. But I want you to love it. And if you don’t, let me know. And we’ll either repeat it or we’ll figure out something else, including, I won’t keep your money.”

And in the end, although you give back money occasionally, you wind up making many more people happy and making more money and you sleep better at night.

Okay, I think that’s it. Thank you guys for your attention ’cause this thing … What we’re doing here, I think, is really changing medicine and I’m the facilitator between all you guys thinking about it and all the feedback and all the good research. So keep it coming and I’ll try to keep pouring our money back into it.

We have two double-blind placebo studies going on now. We’re having a little trouble filling the orgasm study (click to help), so I’m gonna put out a link to that again. So if you guys know people who live in the Washington D.C. area … Bottom line though is we’re investing into the research. We’re investing into supporting our group. And I think you’re gonna see medicine change a lot in the next five years from what we’re doing. Okay, you guys have a good day. Thank you, Dr. Posey.



Q&A. Writing emails, amnion, treating scars, cannulas, loss of sensation.

Relevant links…

Charles Runels: All right so we’ll get started and we’ll go through questions that have been posted on the various websites.

Let’s start with the vampire facelift. By the way, after we finish these questions, I’m going to go over a very quick and easy way to create an email that your patients will love to receive and it will help them both attach to you and want to come see you for the things that you do that will help them. We’ll do that after we cover some of these questions.

We’re on the Vampire Facelift® website. “Hello, does calcium chloride help create better results with vampire hair? Also do you have a contact we can order from? Finally, how much do you mix with the PRP and do you just draw the PRP into a syringe and then draw the calcium chloride up after it, and has it been injected with mix or do you mix it differently?”

I just posted an answer to the activation question. If you go to our company website, cellularmedicineassociation.org, and then you look down here where it says, Questions and Answers activate, and I spent some time right here talking about the different reasons you should and shouldn’t activate, and when you do and you don’t, versus hair versus face, O-shot and P-shot and such. So it’s all right there.

As far as mixing it goes, I like to use a stock bottle so if you have, if you already have plasma in the syringe and you take that syringe and you put a needle on it and you stick the needle into your stock bottle, of course you’ve contaminated your bottle because you put a needle that’s attached to blood on one side in the syringe now into your stock bottle the calcium chloride is in. So I’d pull the calcium chloride out of the stock bottle into a sterile syringe and the pull the PRP up into that syringe that has the calcium chloride in it exactly right when I’m ready to do the procedure because you need to be ready to use it.

Let’s see what else you have. As far as from where can you order it, if you go to our dashboard, you’ll see the dashboard is here. Then if you go to, down here somewhere, it should have where to order everything. Let’s see. That’s all different procedures, ways to do it, well maybe I didn’t put it there so I need to. I get it from Mcguff in California, and I’ll pull it up for you right now. Mcguff compounding pharmacy. There. Mcguffcompoundingpharmacy.com.

So let’s see what other questions we had. On the vampire facelift site. By the way if there are questions from you guys that are attending just push the button and I’ll unmute your mike, the noise gets pretty bad in the background so that’s why I don’t have it unmuted at this point. Lets see, are there frequently asked questions for each procedure that we can use? Where are they located on this site?

So the way I’ve tried to structure … so there’s two sides to the membership sites, or the websites, and they all work the same. There’s one side, so vampirefacelift.com/members, that’s for us. Then vampirefacelift.com with nothing behind it, that’s for the patients. The all have the same format. So there’s O-shot.info, that’s for the patients, there’s oshot.info/members, that is for us.

So when you say frequently asked questions for each procedure that we can use, where are they located, the best place to send people if this is for frequently asked questions by a patient is to send them to the main website. I tried to anticipate the questions. If you look at the number of times this has been edited, you can say, click in here and try to edit the page it will tell you how many times I’ve edited it. It’s probably going to be hundreds of times, we’ll look at it here in a second. But what I do is every time somebody asks a question I try to put it into the website and embed it there so then hopefully they see it. Oh, only 65 times, so of course this is third version of this website but on this particular page only 65 revisions. So those revisions aren’t to make things look pretty, most of the time it’s changing a word, adding a link, you can see there’s a video that needs to be redone. Sometimes something dies. You can see I added a Wikipedia article. I add thins so that every, if someone asks me a question hopefully we anticipate it and hopefully next time they won’t ask that question. So that’s where the frequently asked questions live on the websites.

They’re also put, on most of the websites, on O-Shot®, P-Shot®, I think it’s on the breast lift, you can see I added a review link. Oshot.info/reviews. Here’s a tip right now for getting free advertising, like crazy. I tell people this but still less than a dozen of our providers do it. If you go there to reviews tab, that’s where people ask questions and hen we answer them. Well if you answer a question here, and you can see ,I don’t know I think there’s 300 or so posts or something like that.

So if you go in and you answer, Dr. Posey answered someone’s question right here, then people see that and you can see it links to whenever you answer a question. Whenever you answer a question it links to your profile, so Dr. Seilar answered a question and, from one of the patients, and when you click on it, it takes you to know more about him. There you go, you’re on his website. And when people who go to these pages, they always want to read the reviews, so there’s your way to both find the frequently asked questions and to just throw in a couple of words here and there, taking part of the conversation, and people will see it, they’ll be impressed, and they will come find you. And for some reason, like I said, that’s still very uncommonly done by our people even though it’s a way to get amazing, amazing advertising without really having to do anything as far as money goes.

So here’s another question. Dr. Runels with the current available information, what’s your top PRP harvesting centrifuge in terms of initial cost, for patient cost, ease of use, especially commenting on the clips, insight, [inaudible 00:08:12], TruePRP, they left Harvest out and there are others.

So this technology is changing, the prices are changing and when I look at analysis of the blood itself the numbers are all over the map depending on who paid for the testing. What I can tell you is that I know of failures and, oh they also left region off this list, I know of failures and wild successes with all of the things on that list. My recommendation to you is to get your best price with the best service. If you ask me what’s the best, a Chevrolet or a Ford, I would say that I would never buy a Ford because I had a Ford Pinto when I was 16 and it broke down and so I’m angry at the Ford Motor company since I was 16 years old because they took my money for a lemon. Ford Pinto was the one that would explode when you got hit I the back. But that’s my personal bias, they ripped off a 16 year old boy and I will never forgive them for it.

But maybe you didn’t have that experience, maybe you love Fords, same thing applies to centrifuges. Cut your best deal, all of these kits work, and hopefully our research will show, for example Magellan gives you five times baseline, do you really need that or not? Maybe? Or maybe not. I can give you a more specific thing but it could be out of date by next week so talk to them , cut your best deal.

Let’s see, Thomas asked, do you have any experience using antioxidant serums just afterwards?

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Charles Runels: Antioxidant serums just afterwards the Vampire Facelift. The facial or essential oils. I use a HA mist, seems to work well. Sometimes can cause peeling, but not sure if it’s the mist or the facial. What I can tell you, with the facial, whatever you like to use on the face, whether it’s peptide creams … I always like, I’m still an old school 0.1% Retin-A, not Retinol, like Retin-A prescription strength 0.1% cream. Whatever it is that you like, after you do that Vampire Facial, you’ve opened up the skin and you’ve created thousands and thousands of little puncture wounds, so that this material can now be absorbed. So that’s your answer. Whatever you like, use it.

And I find it’s a good time to get people back on a regimen, because they want to protect their investment. It’s like when you check out of Best Buy and they say, “Well do you want the warranty?” Same thing, they’re checking out of their Vampire Facelift, you say, “Well, you really take care of your investment here, and what you’re doing to take care of yourself. We should have you on this, and this, and this.” And I like the Retin-A. And so even if someone has used Retin-A in the past, they may have used it inconsistently, and that motivates them to start using it more consistently.

“Can you give us guidance on hair restoration, and how to know where there are active hair follicles, and where the PRP will work? Is it necessary to do the microneedling?” I don’t think it’s necessary, but I think if you said, “Okay, you have one chance to make this person’s hair grow, and If it doesn’t work we’re going to, I don’t know, run your car off a cliff.” You would probably do everything you know to do, which would include subdermal and microneedling. Doesn’t take that much longer, the cost of goods are reasonable on the expendables for the microneedling device. So I usually do … I do think it’s necessary to do the subdermal, and close behind this on the microneedling, but I always like to do both.

As far as how to know where there’s active hair follicles, you can see where the hair is thin but still present. Obviously you want to treat that. And then there’s this margin where the hair seems to go away. I think it’s worth, if someone has a reasonable hairline, you know, they’re not like a cue ball, if they have a reasonable hairline, I think it’s worth just treating all the way to where the hair line used to be. And I say that because we’ve seen absolutely shocking results in some people where hair grew back where we weren’t expecting it, and others where nothing happened. When I talk to our providers who do hair for a living, they’re hair transplant surgeons, and one guy even wrote textbook on hair … They still can’t tell me how to predict who will respond and who won’t. But the general consensus is to do a series of three, four to six weeks apart. If after the second treatment you see no results, stop, give them their money back, it’s probably not going to work. Thankfully, that’s usually a minority of people.

So, thoughts for using cannulas for PRP. I don’t. And the reason I don’t is when you use a cannula, what do you have to do? You have to make a puncture wound, and then you have to put the cannula through that wound with the idea being now when you extend deeper into the tissue, the cannula avoids further trauma. The thing about PRP, if you’re putting your needle in much further than the puncture wound itself, you’re probably causing unnecessary bruising already, because one of the beauties of PRP that it hydrodissects. You don’t need a needle. For example, with Juvederm, you can’t just inject it and expect it to spread out. It’s going to make a big glob, unless you fan your needle. That’s not so with PRP. You just get the level beneath the dermis and inject, and it just hydrodissects and spreads out as if you were pouring water on the floor. For that reason you don’t need a cannula because when you put the hole through the skin to make the hole for your cannula, that’s as deep as you need to go to inject the PRP, so you don’t really need it. If you like using with a Hyaluronic Acid filler, that’s fine, go for it, but I find it’s about half and half with our providers.

Next question is, “I have a patient with mild acne pitting, with slightly darker skin. Do I set my speed faster and the depth deeper with the microneedling? How many treatments? Expectations?” As far as speed and depth … First of all, with speed. I have a blender that has one switch, on and off, and that’s it. It’s got a steel rod, so I think you can throw nails in there and grind it up. But it has one speed. You’ve seen these blenders that have 16 things: puree, frappe, soupe. How many different words can we use to describe something just spinning around? And it’s bull. Total bull.

I actually talked to the man who invented the Dermapen. And he said they only put three speeds on there because they knew if they didn’t put three speeds, someone else with a pen would brag that they have three speeds. What they found is, as fast as it goes works the best, because you want to make puncture wounds, as many as you can, as fast as you can, to get it over with. So the speed is just whatever you’ve got, plug it in, make sure the battery’s charged if you’re using a battery operated device, and make the depth whatever depth you need to get it to to cause punctate hemorrhaging. Which is going to change, based upon where you are on the face, and whose face your treating.

How many treatments and expectations. Expectations is … That’s like an hour lecture, but as far as if you’re referring to the mild acne itself, then expectations are tremendous. If you do a series of three treatments, six weeks apart, four to six weeks apart, most people are going to love it. So hopefully that answers your question.

Next question, “How do you correct when there is a deep dimple just below the middle of the lip in some patients? Do you use more Juvederm on adjacent sides to get more lift?” A deep dimple just below the middle of the lip in some patients … So, I think I’d need to see a picture, maybe you can post a picture of what you’re thinking about. I hesitate to say much about that without seeing a picture. I will say though, and as a general rule, if someone has a dimple, or a defect, or a pit, or whatever you want to call it, if there’s a place that needs to be filled and it’s deep, as you say here, then I’m probably going to use an HA filler to correct it, and then polish it off with PRP. PRP alone probably won’t work as well, but I guess deep is relative, so to really answer that intelligently I would need to see a photograph.

So I think that’s all of the new questions on the Vampire Facelift, we were a little bit behind on that one. There’s two on the Priapus Shot website. First one says, “I recently attended a Vampire training course in Las Vegas with Dr. Zimmerman, and I had a question about the penis pump. How much pressure? I found that some information says more than 4.5 can damage the penis. I believe that the course recommendation was seven to ten. Do you have any papers that document the most appropriate pressure?” That’s a good question, and I would need to go to the research. The dogma that I’ve heard from urologists and from going on the blogs where the guys … There’s a subculture of people just using penis pumps.

I compare it to what went on back in the ’70s with weight training. I was a teenager in the ’70s and when I went to buy a book on weight training, there was one in the library. And no one knew who Arnold Schwarzenegger was, he was just a weird guy to most people. He was winning these weird contests called Mr. Olympia. And coaches were still telling guys that weight training could make you clumsy. If you go back to the ’60s they recommend to athletes to not lift weights. The point I’m making from all that is there was a subculture. Even physicians came out of this, physicians in the 1980’s

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Charles Runels: Even physicians, get a load of this, physicians in the 1980s, late ’80s was the first time that physicians published a paper saying that anabolic steroids actually made you stronger. Up until then, they would say the bodybuilders, that was just water weight. They weren’t really strong. All I have to say, there can be a subculture of people who are basically experimenting on their bodies. You can sometimes be ahead of the physicians about what works, and athletes, especially, are prone to do that. I think, to a certain extent that is happening in the subculture of people who use penis pumps. You can go and find some of those blogs. Like, if you Google, if you Google my name, sovietisms I’ll come up in some of these penis pump blogs. Let’s see if I can find one. If you read the protocols, or following … I’m not saying that’s where we learn how to be … Here we go, the PhalloBoards Penis Enlargement surgery, phalloplasty. This is proboards… phalloplasty.proboards.com. This is all about growing penises. If you go on these blogs, the common dogma seems to be 10 – 20 minutes at a pressure of somewhere seven to ten.

Honestly, I don’t know. I will look at the research and see if I can get you a smarter answer. That’s the number I hear from the urologists and the blogs. More than that, you just create edema, bruising, and you can get damage. Let’s see, what was the other question. All right, let me add to this one other thing that, I know some people use pumps without a pressure gauge. I don’t recommend that because sometimes people, I’ve found, they’ll either pump it up too much, or they will think they’re getting a good pump, and then give them a pump with a gauge on it, they say, “Oh, this is more than 10 [inaudible 00:22:16].” Without that, you really don’t have any objective measurement of what you’re doing. By the way, there was another paper published in The Journal of Sexual Medicine two months ago showing that using a pump, this was in an animal model, we have them with people, but there was another one with an animal model showing that this helps with peyronie’s disease.

Dr. Grow, I have two questions regarding two patients. Patient One, middle-aged man, non-smoker, moderate erectile dysfunction, and he does react to Viagra/Cialis. During intake there seemed to be no psychological etiology. Had a P-Shot two months ago, with [inaudible 00:22:58] PRP, no improvement whatsoever. He said he used the pump daily. So far my patients have always some kind of improvement. This one had none. What is your advice about the P-Shot? Maybe two? What about the cost? Two things I would recommend. First, as far as the cost to the patient, I have … I posted a video about why I always do things for free if they say nothing happened. How I do it, why I do it, but that’s the bottom line. If someone says “Oh, it worked but I want more benefit.” Then I charge them for the next one. If they say “Nothing happened,” then basically, as far as they’re concerned, I stole their money if I stop right there and don’t give their money back, that’s the way I think about it. Maybe it’s not the way you should but it’s what they think. I respect that. As far as I know, anyone who has given me any money, since 2003 when I went to all cash, they either got better and were happy with what it did, or I don’t have their money anymore.

As far as what to do, what else you might do, I do think it’s worth doing this again. I would do it in combination with our whole protocol. If you go to priapusshot.com/peyronies, even though this man doesn’t have peyronie’s disease, the protocol that I put here works for erectile dysfunction as well. For example, using the pump has been shown to help with erectile function. We’ll need less Viagra. Let me add this too. If you go back to think about what we’re doing here, this happened to me once. Someone said “Nothing happened, nothing happened.” So I told my staff and then they delivered that message to me. “Okay, have him come in.” As he was getting on the table to get his repeat Priapus Shot, I said, “Now you’re taking Trimix aren’t you? Have you changed the dose on it?” He said “Yeah, I’ve cut the dose in half.” That’s a win, that is an expected win. If someone’s using Viagra or Cialis, which this man is, it could be that he’s getting the same kind of erection that he did with half the dose of his Viagra or Cialis. That’s the best we can do.

You have to remember to ask them that and also remember to tell them that when you treat them, that we’re not giving you an 18 year old penis, we’re giving you your penis five years ago which is going to be … you’re going to cut your Cialis dose in half or your Trimix, if that’s what you’re using. Anyway, the other things you can do to support it, just like if you had surgery, you have your cholecystectomy and the next day you’re doing LSD, smoking two packs a day and drinking Jack Daniels, you’re probably not going to heal very well. I’m exaggerating obviously but the point I’m making is, there are things you can do to support healing and there are things you can do to interfere with healing. The things that you do that … those things are exactly the things that would support of interfere with platelet rich plasma because we are triggering the healing response.

Here’s the whole protocol for Peyronie’s and for the same thing works for erectile dysfunction. If they’re not on Cialis then I wouldn’t feel the need to start that. But, post prostate surgery and for Peyronie’s disease you might want to because Cialis actually has some biochemical effects that could help prevent the peyronie’s from progressing and cutting off the mechanism might actually help with the reversal of it as well. The research backing all this us is at each link, there’s a video, we’re going to talk about it. You can actually give your people this website, priapus.com/peyronies and suggest that they follow it. I then have sources for them to buy this stuff. On Amazon.

Let’s see, I think there was one more part to that question. I think that’s all that question. Patient number two, who used cocaine and Viagra during his holiday, experienced some kind of pain during sex, ignored it. In the days that followed, sexual sensitivity dropped massively. Urologist and neurologist seen no abnormalities. Neurologist did, actually nothing. The urologist performed an ultrasound. They sent him to a sexology psychotherapist. They could not do anything. According to the patient, there’s no mental cause here, otherwise that, almost never getting erect anymore, which puts a lot of negative pressure on him. The only possibility to get an erection somehow is with tensing his pelvic muscles and straightening his legs. He asked if a P-Shot would help him and how many? I told him I would ask you because of the rapid onset and [inaudible 00:28:40] P-Shot at this kind of onset.

So, if you took out the drug stuff and the story about straightening his legs and tensing his pelvic muscles and standing on one leg and saying three Hail Marys, I would say the next thing I’m about to tell you, I would do. But, with this particular person I would steer clear and just say “I’m not sure if I could help you.” There’s just this red flag feeling when I hear odd things and history of drug use. I’m not saying that this is the most horrible thing and makes people unreliable. Still, cocaine goofs with your ability to have sex. If he’s using cocaine and I give him a P-Shot and six months from now he tells me “My P-Shot’s not working.” Now I have to be the freaking drug police and ask him if he’s still using cocaine. I don’t like to do that. I’ve worked at a drug rehab center, I think I’m good at rehabilitating drug people, very good actually. I don’t like to do it in concert with Priapus Shots. I would want him off of this for a year before I would become his erectile dysfunction-

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Charles Runels: Before I would become his erectile dysfunction doctor. But anyway, let’s assume he’s not doing the cocaine and he doesn’t have the story about straightening legs and pelvic muscles and doing three Hail Mary’s to get an erection. In that case, if it were just a history of trauma, and some loss of sensation, I would tell him, lets do two P-Shots, eight weeks apart and not use the pump. For some reason, I’ve found people that have loss of sensation, they do better if you don’t use the pump, if that’s their main thing they’re trying to treat. Not use the pump, two treatments, eight weeks apart and see if he doesn’t get better.

After the second treatment, have him wait a full twelve weeks before we decide if it’s worked or not. So that’s going to be shot, eight weeks, second shot, twelve weeks. So that’s going to be 20 weeks, but these are nerves. They don’t grow like your hair and if you don’t wait that long, you don’t really know what you’ve done so setting that up is to be the deal. I’ll even write it out and have him initial it so he understands what you’re doing. But that’s for people who don’t use cocaine it goofs up your ability to have an erection so I wouldn’t play with it.

O-Shot® with Mid-Urethral Sling

Okay, so those are the two knew ones on Priapus shot. Let’s see there’s … on O-Shot. Here’s the only new one. Dr. Kline said “Can the shot be performed on a patient with a mid-urethral sling in place and if so, does the place of the injection need to be altered or the amount of PRP placed in the urethra?” I actually think, if the shot were done when people do mid-urethral slings, they would probably get better results and more rapid healing. But, we would need someone like Amy Brenner or one of our gynecologists who does slings to tell us the answer to that. I know there was one study done where using the O-Shot in concert with removing mesh gave a really beautiful result and resolved pain. So, the other thing to think about, no matter what the surgery is, say it’s mesh, sling, hysterectomy, all of those things … Well, hysterectomy and mesh, that study’s actually been done. But, one study using PRP with hysterectomy helped healing. I just told you a study taking out mesh helped the pain, helped the healing.

If you’re creating with PRP, something that is normally made with injury to help the healing process, then with any surgery, you can make the argument that using PRP would help the healing process. Therefore, there should be no problem with using it the next day, the next week, the next year. Using PRP should help and there’s no real contra-indication. The only thing is that if I were not the surgeon, I wouldn’t want to be the one doing it post-op until the surgeon released the person and said “Yup, they’re out of the woods, no sign of infection, everything’s working great”, so I don’t get blamed for some post-op complication.

The only other new thing that came up, which I already answered here in words, but the problem is, is amnion stem cells or not? Well, technically, amnionic membrane is a rapidly growing stem cell-like material, but stem cells are alive, or they are just proteins. And the amnion that you’re buying that has been micronized in a syringe or comes as a powder is not living cells. It’s just the amnionic tissue that’s been dehydrated and then Gama radiated and reconstituted so there’s no … Well actually first it’s reconstituted and then Gama radiated, so there’s nothing alive in there. Otherwise you have to worry about catching some disease from the person who contributed the amnion. So there’s no living cells. Now there is [inaudible 00:34:39] who supplies us with the amnion that we sell to our providers as a distributor/wholesaler. They give us a price that’s at the wholesale price. They have a different product that is true, living tissue that is much, much more expensive and it’s not available to us yet. I’m not sure we’ll even need it, but it’s coming. That’s a true living cell. Amnion is not, no matter where you’re getting it.

Now these amino-acid protein chains, or peptide chains, are very, very powerful. That’s the growth hormone, it’s just a peptide chain that codes … You know there’s two types of hormones, there are the steroid-based hormones like testosterone or estrogen that are cholesterol derived. And then there are the peptide chains that are proteins. So that’s why you can’t take insulin by mouth, but you can take [inaudible 00:35:43] by mouth. The acid in your stomach breaks the peptide chains that are in insulin and it just becomes amino acids. As far as your body knows, there’s no difference between eating a hamburger and taking insulin by mouth, because once your body chops all those peptide chains up into individual amino acids, you just have amino acids like in your meal.

But, if you take a steroid like estrogen by mouth, then the acid doesn’t break it apart and it’s absorbed in tact. The point I’m making, is that the peptide chains, even though they’re not alive, they’re very powerful. It’s what’s released from the platelets. So you have peptide chains that are released from platelets, they’re the [inaudible 00:36:35] and all the things that make PRP work. And some of them are exactly the same things made by the pituitary gland, like Somatomedin-C or [inaudible 00:36:41] released from the pituitary gland. Well, growth hormone is released by the pituitary gland and then it causes the tissue in the body, like the liver, to produce Somatomedin-C or [inaudible 00:36:52]. Over two hundred peptide chains are made by the pituitary gland. Over two hundred that we know about so far.

So I think there’s no way to know everything that’s going on when you take these peptide chains from amnion, but what we do know is we have years, much more than with PRP, we have many years of research with amnion showing that these peptide chains have healing properties. I’ve posted some of that research to, I can’t remember which website I put it on now, but I’ll put it here too so it can be found. I think I put it on on the Cellular Medicine, but I recently posted … cellularmedicineassociation.org and then look over the recent post, Amniotic Membrane, Research. So here’s some other papers and actually some of these links open multiple links. So, for example, this one opens multiple papers. Some of these links open ten papers, just with that one link. So that’s some of the relevant research.

Okay. Let’s see what other questions. I think that’s all the new questions on the O-Shot. The Breast Lift, there was one here about sensitivity. “I have a patient that’s had breast implants”, and then after this one I think let’s stop and let me show you a quick, easy way to create an email that’s interesting to your patients and will bring them to you for the things you know how to do. This is one of my hacks, it really kills it. It’s easy, it’s fun, you’ll like it. It makes you smarter. And it brings people to your office.

So, let’s answer this one last question. “I have a patient who had breast implants and has loss of nipple sensitivity. Her primary concern is to regain the sensitivity back. She asks what percentage of people who have received the Vampire Breast Lift do in fact have [inaudible 00:39:03] improvement in sensitivity and are pleased with the results. If you can provide me with an idea of this percentage, that would be helpful.” So, I have had 100% with this. I’ve probably treated, I don’t know, I’ve been doing this fairly regularly for eight years now, and when I’ve surveyed and asked some of our providers on another call what their experience has been, I’ve heard everything from 80% to 90%. I don’t like saying anything is 100%, but for run of the mill, loss of sensitivity for implants or breast feeding, it is very, very, it’s more than 50%, I think is a safe thing to say.

For breast reconstruction post breast cancer, not so good. I don’t even promise them anything. It’s more about aesthetic treatments when I do that.


Section 4 of 5 [00:30:00 – 00:40:04]

Section 5 of 5 [00:40:00 – 00:58:14](NOTE: speaker names may be different in each section)

Charles Runels: Okay. I think I’ll show you my little email hack, and then let’s call it a day. So, let’s say … Here’s the process, let me pull this up for you and we’ll [inaudible 00:40:15]. And I’ll just demonstrate it. This is how to write … This is how to write … an email, very quickly, that you people want to read.

Okay, so I first start with what I want to sell. The market, what am I marketing? In other words, let’s say it’s the O-Shot®, as an example. So, I don’t want everybody to come see me for an O-Shot®. All I want to come see me for the O-Shot® are people that I can really help, like if someone’s got … They need a hysterectomy because their cervix is hanging out of their vagina, they don’t need to come see me.

But there are certain things that I do know how to help. So, let’s say that one of them is dyspareunia. So instead of talking about … I always have to think about how to spell that word. So instead of talking about my O-Shot®, why don’t I talk about one of the problems that I do know that I have a high success rate for? Dyspareunia.

Now I know this is like back pain, there’s lots of things that cause dyspareunia. So, we could just pick one of those, but I’m just going to leave it at that for now. We can say dyspareunia post episiotomy, let’s just say dyspareunia. Actually, why don’t we say dyspareunia post-partum. Post-partum, and just make it more fun.

So, this is what I know. Dyspareunia post-partum, we’re the bomb, we’re the O-Shot®. So now, so that’s step one. Number two, and then we’ll just follow this, and I’ll show you how to do this. Literally, five minutes, you’re done with an email. That just kills it.

So number two, you say … okay, so first it’s the what do you want to market? Next, is what problem do you want to solve with the thing you’re marketing? And I’m trying to move this down to number two because that really should be number two. So, make this number two. Ugh, it won’t go. Okay.

So, what problem? Dyspareunia post-partum. Now you’re going to go to PubMed and go to Google, and see, you’re going to find some research. And this is where it gets fun because you should be wanting to read this anyway if you’re treating it. So, let’s just Google it first. We go Dyspareunia post-partum.

I’m telling you, I’m giving you the keys to the kingdom. This works so very, very well. Okay, so definition, not interesting. Okay, this looks like a full text clinical trial that’s underway, but clinical trial’s probably not finished, so … I’d like to find something that’s done.

Okay, episiotomy and the development of post-partum dyspareunia. Done. Apparently, Google likes that. So this will save me from doing the PubMed thing. And let’s just quickly scan it, see what it’s saying. Now here’s the thing. If you have a patient, or if there is someone out there, not even your patient, is dyspareunia post-partum. They can look at this, smart women, they can look at this, figure it out … But even though they’ve figured it out, sort of, they’re not sure if they’ve really figured it out.

And they would love to have a physician think about it with them, and tell them, “Yeah, this is what it means.” And they would even better like it if it’s their physician who’s thinking about it. So, let’s just scan this really quick. Episiotomy, common surgical procedures, a study, episiotomy [inaudible 00:44:11] 39%. [inaudible 00:44:13] sex life, largely unknown. Three months post-partum. More severe dyspareunia … Okay, the aim, assess the impacts, development of post-partum.

So, materials and methods. Let’s just scan it. [inaudible 00:44:32]. Interview, questionnaire, so these are questionnaires, visual analog scales, so we’ll skip down to the results. Of the 200 hundred patients that participated, 100 had vaginal delivery with episiotomy, 100 had C-section all were primigravida. In ages 22-24 years old, okay, characteristics, average incontinent scores, dyspareunia was present. 21% of of group one and 8% in group two. So significant increase in the presence of dyspareunia. So that’s the conclusions right there. Present, not present, so there we go.

So now, situation, whatever [inaudible 00:45:34] dyspareunia. Okay now, here’s how you write the email. Let’s go back to our list, we’re going to need this link right here. So I copy that link to the research and let’s get the numbers down here. Was it 21% versus 8%. Okay. So now, let’s write our email. I like to do Ulyssis, but you can do whatever, I don’t like all the extra stuff in my way when I’m trying to write. So hello, and then you’re going to put first name. Dyspareunia, painful, painful intercourse can put a huge strain on family and relationships. Recent research looked at the percentage of women who suffered with pain after delivery, and found that the percentage jumped from 8%, if there’s a C-section to 21% or about 1 in 5 with vaginal delivery. Now, can you see now you’re talking to your patients like who they are, smart people. And you just learned something. The solutions, my cursor just jumps around, solutions to this problem can be very unsatisfactory. We’ve found that the O-Shot®, procedure can be helpful in most women. Okay. If you know someone who suffers, of course this someone could be the woman reading this, maybe she knows her mother, sister, best friend has problems. If you know someone who suffers with this problem, would you mind letting them know about possibilities of seeing better. I’ll just stop there. Possibilities with the O-Shot®. Sincerely, okay.

Now, you can take this and copy it. However you send your emails, alright, we’re almost done. I don’t know how we’re doing for time here. However you send your emails then. I like using Ontraport.

So you can see I have my contacts sort of sorted out into lots of different categories. For now, you should probably just have one list that your emailing to, but, I have a list of O-Shot® patient inquiries. So about 6,000 people. So we’re gonna send an email to all these people and try to get them to come see you.

So I’m showing you how to write an email. So now selected all those people and this is how you finish off the email. Use [inaudible 00:51:03] contact, whatever you use it will work the same way. So email for me, and then let’s say new, I like to have a promise embedded in the subject, so, 21% of women would be interested in this after childbirth. Okay? Now I take that, what we just copied that we wrote. And again I like using it in whatever your favorite editor is. Now I need to put in the first name and how this works with your software, it’s going to be very similar, but now we need to put the website. So I can say click to read the research. Then you come back up here and find that paper, so back over here, and you just copy that domain name, and then come back to where you’re writing your email, you still with me?

So, click to read the research. I’m showing you how to write something, and the reason people are not going to put this..they’re going to read your emails if you send them emails like this. What I just did was I copied, paste that into that link and I always want it to open up a new window. It’s just a little hack I do to that makes people stay with you.

So they all work the same, they’ll have a little chain link picture, you highlight whatever you want the link to be, then you click on the chain link and you place the domain into the box. And then make the target a new window and then you save it. Alright?

And the we want people to go to the O-Shot® procedure and find you guys, so I am going to the directory for the O-Shot®, O-Shot.info/ actually, I’m just going to put the O-Shot® webpage and then web coach. Now, that’s it. And then you put name, its helpful I think if you have your signature as a picture so you can add your signature in. So, we’ll find my signature, put that in. And even if you have someone else do this, at least if you understand how this can be done you can create the content and have somebody else do this. I think its good to put your phone number and then always put a P.S.

I like putting the little reverse arrows if I want somebody to click on something, because they see that and it slows them down.

Okay, so lets go back and look at what we’ve done. Now I’m going to send it here in a second here in a second and let you see the final. So we first thought of what we’re going to market. Then we decided it was going to be the O-Shot®. And we decided a problem that thing we’re marketing would fix and we picked dyspareunia post-partum. When we googled it we found some research, then, we wrote by an email, just letting people with the problem know about the research and offering your solution, see number 1. So that’s where you put the link. That’s it. Then you send it. Alright so lets go back here, and the other thing before I send it, is I like the text to be at least a font of 16, because people reading this on their Iphone and a lot of them are like me and need reading glasses, they can’t see the little letters. And it’s nice if you put a new picture so people remember what you look like, remember they’re not really thinking about you that much, they’re thinking about their own problems. They don’t really care that much about you. So putting a picture there helps them remember you. And then we send it.

Before I send it I will often make sure to make sure that they do work. So you can see now if I click to read the research it opens a new window, it takes me to that research. And then if I move to the O-Shot® I made that window just taking them there so they will find you and I then I should find the science here and I send them to the research page. Make sure that one works. Yep, were on the research page. So it’s ready to go. And that’s your formula so you go ahead and send it. Hopefully some of these people will actually come see you. So save and send. I think with that we are right at the hour and hopefully you guys got something from the questions and my little tip about how to send out emails to people who actually want to read. Those will rarely go into the spam folder and you’ll get about a 30% opening rate, consistently, if you do what I just taught you. Alright I guess that’s it. Let me see if there are any questions and we’ll shut this down. None? I don’t see any questions so thank-you guys, you guys have a good week and I’ll post a recording to this to the CMA website.

Section 5 of 5 [00:40:00 – 00:58:14]

Q & A. Sept. 9, 2017

Transcript of Video/Webinar

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Charles Runels: Okay, let’s get started. The first question, we’re on the Vampire Breast Lift website, is actually a comment from Wendy Hurn.

Vampire Breast Lift® Questions…

She says, “I have performed several of these procedures to date and have amazing results around six weeks. My own, which is performed nine weeks ago, was amazing. Fullness and firmness with cleavage area many have commented upon. After breastfeeding in the past, I am delighted, so can pass this on to my patients with confidence.”

Thank you very much for writing Wendy.

This is one of those things where it almost seems too good to be true. I’m always grateful when our providers encourage each other. One thing about this when you do these procedures, just be sure you realize there’s a correlation and there’s causation and if you hand out 1,000 Tootsie Rolls to women who walk down the sidewalk, there will be some of them who get breast cancer. If you called it a Breast Lift Tootsie Roll, they might blame it on your Tootsie Roll. I think you can make a very strong argument that PRP is perhaps protective against cancer. We also have the strong research that if you look at the research part of the vampirebreastlift.com.

If you look at the Research tab, you’ll see there’s very good, very strong, research showing that when you mix PRP with fat and transfer it to the breast, there is a trend towards less cancer and there has been two really strong studies showing no increased risk of biopsy or recurrence rate in people who have had breast cancer and then being reconstructed, so it appears to be a very safe thing, but I would still do the same things that you would do for documentation if you were transferring fat to the breast. Most people know you transfer fat to mix it with PRP, so do those same protocols, just make sure the woman has been two things. Make sure seems been recently screened and that whoever keeps track of her breasts says that she’s good to go and number two, make sure you get a good consent form.

Second thing, but hopefully one of you guys will eventually do the research. I think that if you did, if you look at this trend towards less cancer, I think if you did a study where you injected the left breast of a thousand women, you would see a higher rate of breast cancer in the right breast. We don’t know that yet, but that’s what I suspect.

Next one is a question from Dr. Climikoski.

He says, “I have a patient who’s had breast implants and has loss of nipple sensitivity. Her primary concern is to regain the sensitivity back. She asked me, ‘What percentage of people that receive the Vampire Breast Lift do in fact have significant improvement in the sensitivity and are pleased with the results?’ If you provide me with an idea of this percentage, that would be helpful, as I’m a new provider for this procedure and don’t have my experience to draw from. Thank you.”

The answer to this one, I think, is … Again, we don’t have the research. In my practice, it is very near 100%. I’ve actually never had a failure when I was treated someone for loss of sensitivity after implants, but if they had extensive reconstruction, then all bets are off. When I talked to our providers, I hear everything from 50% are improved up to near 100%. I just wouldn’t promise this benefit if it’s for someone for extensive reconstruction, and with everything you do, I highly, highly, highly recommend that you offer a money back guarantee. When I treat this, usually it’s a woman who’s coming for improvement appearance and this is something she wants in addition to that. And so, she’s still happy if her sensitivity isn’t back like she thought it was, maybe, when she was 17. I’ve yet to have a woman tell me it did not make things better than before the procedure.

PRP Science-Techniques (what if the needle clogs?)

Next question is a woman who had … She just wrote this in to me. She says, “I had a 30-year-old,” this came an email but I thought we’d cover it here, she says, “I had a 30-year-old for her O-Shot. We used the Eclipse to spin the blood. My patients PRP was irregular in consistency and had clumps of what I thought had to be platelets. The 27 gauge needle and the syringe, for that matter, clogged a few times. I tried to force out the clumps from the syringe, but I’m wondering why this could’ve happened. Any comments appreciated in advance.”

There’s two things that could be causing clogging. I’ll tell you what they are and I’ll tell you how to deal with this because it can happen to everyone. First, it could be actually the platelet-rich fibrin matrix. I have seen clod up as quickly as two minutes out. This is why when I do this procedure, so in other words when the platelets are in the syringe, just sitting there, they can wait for about six hours in theory and still be okay to use, but once they’re activated; thereby, exposure to thrombin, calcium chloride, calcium gluconate, hyaluronic acid filler, or being excreted from the syringe back into the body exposed to collagen. All those things can cause the platelets to now degranulate, release the growth factors, and then the fluid of the plasma becomes congealed to hold the growth factors in place.

This is called platelet-rich fibrin matrix. It looks like goo inside your syringe. You may want to spend a syringe, activate it, and then just let it sit there and not use it so you can see what this looks like. It looks like little string or a little rubber band or something with a precipitate that forms in the syringe. It’s only probably 10%, 20% of the volume of the syringe will be clotted, but it makes a nice little linear precipitate in the syringe if you just let it sit and congeal. That’s what you’re making.

Now, if there’s turbulence and you’ve activated it can look clotted up in little clumps and that is what you’re seeing if there’s a delay. If you immediately take it out of the centrifuge and you see some little stringy things, maybe that’s platelet-rich fibrin matrix, but I’m not so convinced that sometimes it’s not some of the actual gel itself. I’m told that that’s not the case, but I’m not so clear that what that is and it could be the gel. In any case, I’ve never had it clog the syringe unless I’m slow about getting into the person’s body. When you’re drawing it out, use a … I use a 18-gauge needle to pull it out of the tube and then I have 25-gauge needles, literally within reach, so if I’m sitting there doing the O-Shot or whatever procedure have 25-gauge needles close by. If it starts to gel up and I can’t get it through the needle, then i just grab one of those and swap it out or sometimes you can just swap it before another 27 and whatever matrix is clogged the needle will be stuck in the needle, so when you get a new one, you can keep going. That’s the way to deal with that.

Try to have your patient all the way ready before you ever activate the platelet plasma when you do the O-Shot. Have 25-gauge needles within reach and fresh 27s and you should be okay. Oh, one other thing about the gel. We’ve had a few cases of urticaria. I’ve seen about, well, I’ve seen one myself in the face and I had another man who had some urticaria after Priapus Shot. In both cases, it went away with a Medrol Dose Pack. I’ve had two cases of urticaria reported to me by our providers. One after the face and one after an O-Shot where the woman got some urticaria of the inner thighs. All resolved without sequela using a Medrol Dose Pack.

If you look at the medical literature in some of the orthopedic literature, they talk about this happening and postulate that perhaps there’s a urticaria reaction that some people have to their platelets, but perhaps it’s from the gel itself. I just bring this up as a possibility. I don’t know why it happens, I just know it happens and that’s how you treat it. Maybe some of you guys can help us do that research.

Anything you would add to that Kathleen?

Kathleen Posey: No, but I actually think … I agree with the 25-gauge needle. I actually think I’ve used the 25-gauge needle more so than the 27 because the gel does really get thick and it makes it harder to push.

Charles Runels: So you use the … just routinely use the 25 for the anterior vaginal wall?

Kathleen Posey: Yes.

Charles Runels: While I’m here, just for those who may watch this video because this is all will be recorded and I’ll just post this to where people can see it. This gives a really nice simple diagram about where the material goes. I wonder sometimes if people are using enough. If you use the gel tube, I think you should probably spend three for each side of the breast. The price is set to where you can afford to do that. Basically, 15 milliliters of PRP for each side however you make your PRP. Some of the … I don’t know who knows, but I think some of the people who report not seeing much result are not using enough of this stuff. Let’s see. I think that’s all we had on the breast lift. Let’s look at some of the questions. By the way, anybody on the call who wants to ask a question, just click the raise your hand button and I’ll let you just say what it is you want to ask. Now, we’re on the O-Shot. That was the breast lift. Let’s go down the unanswered questions. By the way, if you ever want to ask a question, this is where to post it. Some of these have gone unanswered, but oftentimes our more experienced people will jump in there and answer a question. This is the way you get more than one opinion.

Priapus Shot® Questions…

Okay, so Dr. Ness has two questions. He uses the EPAT for erectile disfunction, along with PRP, after the fifth treatment and before the sixth. Should we inject PRP more often, say after every treatment? Also, has EPAT been used on women to augment the O-Shot? We’ll do this first question. I actually had an email from one of our urologists this morning. I’m seeing several variations, but most of the variations involve using PRP after the first treatment and after the last treatment, whatever your protocol is.

There was another research paper came out this past July in the Journal of Sexual Medicine showing that this works, but there’s no one that has done, okay, this protocol versus that. We’re still trying to figure this out. There’s a research paper for someone. Obviously, there’s two variables there, how you inject the PRP, or where and when, and how you do whatever physical therapy you’re doing.

More O-Shot® Tips…

I don’t know if anybody has anything to add to that, but the bottom line is that do whatever your normal protocol is, and then do your PRP after the first one and after the last one. Same thing with any sort of these physical therapies, lasers. Whether it’s shockwave therapy or it’s … and your frequency. I know you have the Thermi-Va, Kathleen. When are you adding in Thermi-Va when you do O-Shots?

Kathleen Posey: Well, I add it when they want to have improvement in the labia majora or want to decrease the size of their vagina. What I have noticed consistently now, having done enough of them, I really think when you decrease that distance between the clitoris and the vagina and/or urethra, the orgasms get stronger. I think, I’ve done enough now to know. The patients are telling me now, the ones that have had the Thermi-Va with the O-Shot, that the orgasm has gotten even more intense than the O-Shot, so I think that’s an added bonus.

I wish somebody would do the research to prove that it’s that distance because there’s such a problem when somebody has a baby and things get stretched out AP-wise. What you’re really stretching out is that length between the vagina and the clitoris, and then you’re constantly, as a gynecologist, “I used to be able to have orgasms with penis in vagina. Since I’ve had children, I cannot have orgasms with a penis in vagina.”

I’ve even seen C-section patients that haven’t had a vaginal birth, they’re still stretching out. They still have [inaudible 00:13:19]. They’re still having problems. I think, basically, probably gravity, but they do over somebody’s lifetime take away from your ability to have different types of orgasms.

Charles Runels: When it comes to you, do you do Thermi-Va and then O-Shot immediately following on the first visit, or how do you do your series when you’re combining those two therapies?

Kathleen Posey: Most of the time, I do the O-Shot and the Thermi-Va at the first visit, but sometimes it just depends. If they come in there and just say, “I’m here for the O-Shot,” I do that, and then after I do my exam, and I find they’ve had three kids, and I feel like they could benefit from the Thermi-Va, I give them the pamphlet and talk to them about that. So I’ve done it different ways. I’m not real consistent on … because there’s usually three treatments of Thermi-Va, and I’m not real consistent when I do the O-Shot with it. It can be the third treatment.

Charles Runels: I recently talked to Dr. Alinsod about this too [he does something very similar] and I know, Dr. Posey, you’ve done a lot of these. How long have you been doing O-Shots now, three years?

Kathleen Posey: Four.

Charles Runels: Four, yeah, so you’ve had … and I think probably more than anybody on the planet, your experience with lichen sclerosus combined with PRP is you’ve probably seen more patients than anyone. I don’t say this is for gospel because no one’s done the research, but when I speak to other providers, including Dr. Alinsod, they will sometimes do Thermi-Va, then another Thermi-Va, and then the last one of Thermi-Va, they’ll do Thermi-Va followed by O-Shot, or they’ll do ThermiVa and O-Shot on the first one, and then another Thermi-Va, and then, if they’re doing well, on the last one they just do a Thermi-Va. If they’re not as where they want to be, they’ll add an O-Shot to that last Thermi-Va treatment.

As far as the business part of this goes, a lot of our providers, when they come in, they’ll offer the O-Shot at the regular price, and then if they want to add in the Thermi-Va, they’ll cut the price of the Thermi-Va treatments in half, and sell it all as a package. Anyway, that’s become extremely exciting what people are seeing combining those two.

The general principle though that you never break, I think, is that you don’t do a heat, energy type treatment immediately after the O-Shot or the heat denatures those amino acids, small peptide, chemotactic factors, so you can do them both in the same day, but if you do both, you always just do the O-Shot after the heat therapy. I know you know that Dr. Posey but some of the new people may not.

Kathleen Posey: I have one thing. Can I add one thing

Charles Runels: Yeah, sure. Please do.

HUGE TIP (Small Vagina & Thermi-Va)…

Kathleen Posey: I just treated a patient this week that the Thermi-Va people sent me: Had seen a plastic surgeon in New Orleans, decreased lubrication after chemotherapy for colon cancer. She was in her 40s. No exam. So she gets here, and she’d gone from having intercourse three times a week to barely being even one. It was very, very painful.

Her vagina was so small, and they had done the Thermi-Va, so they were making it smaller, so all her symptoms got worse after the Thermi-Va. Actually, a lot of her pain was in the posterior fourchette. I just treated her this week, but I gave her another shot because I said, “Look, I’m going to see,” but you really have to select the patients and do the exams. If the three of us says, “Okay, I’m going to increase lubrication and decrease pain,” well, if the problem is your vagina’s too small, you’re going to make her worse.

She was worse, so the plastic surgeon complained to Thermi-Va. Thermi-Va says, “Well, where’s her exam?” They go, “Well, I didn’t do one.” They lived in New Orleans, so the plastics doctor called me and said, “Well, will you see her?”

You just really have to take each case individually because she was crippled because of a really small vagina. I don’t know if the O-Shot helped her. I did the traditional O-Shot, and I treated her with pain. I just wanted to throw out all these pain symptoms. I did another one today, which was episiotomy pain, and it’s helped her. She’s a year out and this is her second time. I do do the O-Shot, as well as treat where the pain is.

Charles Runels: Yes, all those are good tips, excellent tips, actually. I’ll just add to that that there probably should be, and maybe you can help us think about this, a … What’s the right word? Sort of a chart where you can picture down the one side is all the therapies, and then across the top are all the different problems, and you pick which do you do? Do you do radiofrequency or laser or PRP or dilators or hormones or whatever? And you can picture a pretty extensive chart.

I agree, not everybody … I don’t even use the word “tight” or “loose” vagina. To me, it’s all about matching your lover, and not everybody needs a smaller vagina, and when it comes to pain, for some reason our O-Shot just seems to be amazing, even when the etiology isn’t always known. But I want to emphasize what you said, if they can put their finger where it hurts, always put a cc of PRP there, and then do the regular O-Shot in addition to that. For example, your lady that had the episiotomy scar. My experience has been that, after an episiotomy, they’re usually good to go. So she lasted a year, and now it’s come back and hurting her again?

Kathleen Posey: Yes, it lasted a year. What she had was an episiotomy scar, and then some scarring around her posterior fourchette as well. It hadn’t come back as bad, but she just said, “I don’t want to have painful intercourse. It worked so well before, just repeat it.” I looked, it was a year ago. That was her second shot.

Charles Runels: Beautiful. That’s encouraging. So it wasn’t all the way like it was, but it wasn’t-

Kathleen Posey: No.

Charles Runels: … it had started to come back. There’s that negative feedback loop that can just make anybody avoid sex, especially, I think, women who have pain, and so breaking that feedback loop is so important. Just anecdotally, another patient I heard about from one of our providers, who’s-

Charles Runels: Just anecdotally, another patient I heard about from one of our providers who stays here with, usually with O-shots, she said she had a lady who had an episiotomy scar that had, not only hurt, but would bleed and tear ’cause the skin was so thin. The tissue was so thin, for years. And, no creams and all sorts of things had been tried with no result. And in this case, it took three injections 8 weeks apart, before the bleeding and the pain was gone. So, 8 weeks, pain’s a little better but not gone. Another one. So a series of three O-shots. So, I’m thinking in some cases the tissue may need more than one procedure.

And then lastly, I know we don’t have it here yet, but I know in Europe they have HA that’s made for the vagina. And then I’m wondering in those cases, it might be helpful to do both. So, like we do with our vampire user HA posteriorly with pure AP on top of it to help build that tissue posteriorly when we have an episiotomy scar. All thought they should not be used anteriorly unless it’s under an IRB protocol because of the risk of granulomas. Okay, let’s do the next question. Anything else you could add to that, Kathleen?

Kathleen Posey: No, that’s fine, thank you.

Charles Runels: Okay, let’s see. So, Cindy Crosby says, “My first question is piggy-backing of a question I read in the previous post. If there are there any post-op instruction pamphlets for vampire clients, please email. Second, I had an O-shot and the client had two large babies with two episiotomies. The anatomies very difficult to maneuver. The urethra’s approximately four centimeters long, it’s in the middle of what appeared to be a build-up of scar tissue. Has anyone experienced this and what was the solution?”

I’m gonna turn this one to you Dr. Posey.

Episiotomy Scars & Pain…

Kathleen Posey: Well, I agree, these can be tough. I would put a red rubber catheter in there and find out exactly where her urethra is. And therefore you would know where to put the PRP. Those are hard because, she probably had a cystocele and if you’re not used to looking at them, you’re not gonna know your anatomy because, it gets very distorted. That’s-

Charles Runels: Mm-hmm (affirmative). So, I think you told me once about a lady who did not get benefit for incontinence and then you brought her back and put in a catheter and then things. Describe for them what you do.

Kathleen Posey: Right, I mean that lady had, I mean you don’t want to say a looser … We have a large vagina had cystocele rectocele I put it where I thought it should be the first time. And she just said it didn’t work and she got on the O-shot website, said my name … This is a long time ago.

Charles Runels: (laughs).

Kathleen Posey: Trust me, okay. She got on and said, “This is horrible.” And I think they gave her a discounted rate. So I brought her in, and I said, “Look, but it didn’t work, you’re going back on.” And she did.

Charles Runels: So you brought her back and repeated it, and she went, and she got better. And so, what you did was put in the catheter? Tell me exactly what you did.

Kathleen Posey: Yeah, I took a small red rubber catheter, you put the other end up on the abdomen, so you don’t get pee everywhere, and then you see exactly how distorted that urethra is, because the urethra is distorted in that patient. And it takes the vagina with it, okay. And so you have to see where to put it. And sometimes it can go off to the left or the right, it isn’t straight in the middle. And that was her problem, it had gone off to the side, and so I just put it in never never land.

Charles Runels: So, in the second procedure, your intention is to put the lumen of the needle in between where the catheter was and the outer service of the vaginal wall? Is that what you did?

Kathleen Posey: Yes, which was probably part of the cystocele and it’s gonna look like it’s scarring, it may not have a normal look by itself.

Charles Runels: Beautiful, very helpful.


Okay, let’s see. Dr. Tuttle, “Dear Dr. Runels I have a new person who wants an O-shot, so a daily load dose of methotrexate. Will O-shots still work? Will we get enough PRP, will it work in the presence of this suppressant drug?” She’s using the Emcyte machine.

Okay, so. The general rule I follow is: Would this person recover from surgery? Could you do surgery on them? And if the answer is yes, so can you do it with HIV? Yes. Could you do it with a profound thrombocytopenia? No, not a good idea. So, I don’t know … What’s your thoughts on this one, Kathleen?

Kathleen Posey: I don’t know, but the only P-shot that didn’t work at all was on an 82-year-old with a platelet count of 75,000, and I did two. But I don’t really, I don’t know. I would try it, it’s worth a try. I’d give them money back if it didn’t work.

Charles Runels: Yes, see that’s how I do it. And if you’re new to this, you’re listening to this talk, the first two months, I would just do the easy cases. And of course nothing’s 100% but you have a really high success rate. If not the first shot, the second shot, you’re gonna get it at least 80, 90% of your people well. If you’re treating incontinence with good pelvic floor integrity, dyspareunia, lichen sclerosis, those people are going to get better- people who can have an orgasm but it’s not as strong as it used to be.

If you’re treating someone who’s never had an orgasm in their life, that’s a hard case. Or something like this, where you’re not sure what’s going to happen. I agree, you’re not going to hurt her with this. She would heal, you could operate on her, but is it going to affect this procedure? I don’t know. So this would be a more uncertain case. I would be more hesitant to take these cases until I’ve been doing them. Otherwise, if you do something that’s hard and your first two don’t work, you lose confidence in what you’re doing.

But, on the other hand, I will often take someone who I don’t see any logical reason why I’m doing harm, and then I take them, exactly what you just heard Dr. Posey say, under the condition … I just tell them right off the bat that, “You know, I hope I can get you better. And I’m willing to try this. And if I don’t get you better, I won’t keep your money.” And worst case scenario, you lose a little money but you’ve learned, and you haven’t hurt them, and you’ve helped them find a solution, and you’re still profitable in the next procedure.

Let’s see, I think we just had a question typed in. Okay, yeah, so … Okay, here we go, thank you. So, Dr. Carp I’m gonna unmute your mic, Dr. Carp, so that you can talk with us. Hold on just a second.

Go for it, you there?

Dr. Carp: Yeah, can you hear me?

Charles Runels: Yes sir, perfectly.

Dr. Carp: Yeah, I do all kinds of surgeries on patients with methotrexate, you know, the significance. So I wouldn’t be concerned in the terms of a complication with injecting it. I don’t see how it should have any impact on the expected results with the PRP.

Charles Runels: Beautiful. Thank you for that. When you do your surgery, you don’t anticipate it affecting them healing. So I’m not doing operations every day, so I don’t know that. So, you wouldn’t expect it to have an effect on wound healing. So therefore, we’re both thinking that one variable should not change what the effect of the O-shot would be.

Anything else? Because I know you’ve been doing this awhile, too. Any comments on any of the other questions that we’ve fielded that you want to add to?

Dr. Carp: Not really. I think that, certainly as was pointed out, if they’ve had some uvula-related issues in the rectoceles, et cetera, it does make it more difficult anatomically.

Charles Runels: Mm-hmm (affirmative) yeah. I think it’s never an embarrassment to turf … I love that we have a gynecologists and a urologists as part of our group. And to those in our group who are not, if they see someone where the anatomy is not what you’re used to seeing, I would feel free to … You know, I’ve referred people to Dr. Posey, she’s about two and a half hours from me. And people that … For example, when the clitoris is phymosed down, that’s not something I should be tackling. And so, I send them her to a gynecologists.

And so I encourage those in our group to look at the others in the group that are close to you, so that we can work together.

Let’s see, there’s another. We’ve covered breast lift, the O-shot, there’s some questions that have accumulated about the priapus shot. Let’s go through some of these. Let’s see, okay.

“I was just wondering, can you freeze PRP and then thaw it later before activator procedure? We did a P-shot today, we used pure spin, which do about 20 CCs, and we used 10 of it, so we had some left over and didn’t want to throw it away.”

I know some of the ophthalmologists are putting in the fridge and using it for eyedrops for dry eyes, and using it for a couple weeks at a time. Maybe the answer to this is yes, but I wouldn’t want PRP that had been frozen … You know there’s enough profit built into our procedure that you could afford to spend a kit later. If you wanted, what I would say instead of this is that, there are those in our group that, when they use a priapus shot are using more material.

The only reason these volumes came about is back when I started doing these procedures, back in early 2010, so eight years ago, a one tube of Selphyl, which is what I was using at the time… so, my cost of goods was pretty high. So it was based on what I could find, the amount that could spread through a penis, and I found 10 was what it took to actually infiltrate the entire corpus cavernosoum of an average-sized man.

But others in our groups are using more, so I would say instead of wasting it, just double the volumes and use the whole 20 CCs if he’s average size or larger, and you should get a result. The only place I would say not do that, between the O-shot and the P-shot, is absolutely do not do that with the anterior vaginal wall because, I know of three cases now where our providers got a little overzealous and had an overflow obstruction. It went away and the person winded up doing well, and good results for their stress incontinence, but they went from stress incontinence to an overflow obstruction to wear a diaper for three or four days because of too much volume.

I think anything more than 4 or 5 CCs in the anterior vaginal wall is probably too much. But in the penis, go for it.

Anybody want to add something to that?

Lichen Sclerosus in the Penis…

Okay, so Dr. Leonardo says, “How do you treat lichen sclerosis on the glands? The video does not address this. Do you perform the same injections with the P-shot or would you micro-needle it?”

You know, Kathleen you’re treating a lot of lichen in the labia and around the clitoris, what’s your … This is just a larger clitoris, right? Or you could say clitoris is a smaller penis. What would you say? How would you answer this?

Kathleen Posey: I would inject it right in the areas of the lichen sclerosis, wherever they may be.

Charles Runels: Yep. I would too. I would feel … In a normal priapus shot, you would just kind of … I imagine the glands of the penis, literally like a sponge, and of course the underside of it that’s connected to it is the corpus spongiosum, so it does behave like a sponge.

But I agree with you, if there’s a sclerotic area that you can see or the patient can feel subjectively and put their finger on. I would go intradermally, as best you can, into the sclerotic area and treat it like you would sclerosis anywhere else.

I think, again, we just put out the first paper, I guess it was a couple years ago, and this last paper in the American Academy of Dermatology in January of this year. It’s not like we have some huge body of literature about the best way to do this. It’s part of the reason I like these calls because there’s smart people in this call, and you guys can help us figure out what the best way is. But that’s my best idea for now.

Anybody have anything else? Okay.

Penile Implants…

“I have a patient who has IPP. What is the injection recommendations, techniques, for lidocaine? PRP amounts of each … Locations along the shaft and the depth … In addition, has cold syndrome, for numerous reasons …” whatever.

Okay, so there’s a link here that takes you to a recording when it comes to the penile implants. That, when I interviewed Dr. Joe Banno, who’s one of the urologists in our group … And the biggest thing that I would say here is two things.

I would not use the vacuum pump, and I would not try to inject the shaft at all. And I would consider long and hard whether to even do it at all. Because if their implant fractures that night when they have sex, you could be blamed for it.

But if you do this, and Dr. Banno and I would do this, and most of our providers would do this … I would keep it just to the glands, and come in laterally like you do with the regular P-shot with just the bevel going into the carona of the glands. And just infiltrate the glands, and let that be it. Nothing else, or I think it’s too risky.

Anybody want to add anything to that?

Anyway, watch this video for more details. It’s only five minutes but you’ll get it straight from one of the urologists in our group who teaches. By the way, Dr. Banno teaches urologists how to do implants. It is his specialty. And he has told me that he started making the priapus shot as part of his pre-op before he does the implant because he’s getting more rapid healing and better results, as far as that sensation, and not having that cold feeling.

Any other questions? I think that might be the last one that was turned in. I know we’re only 38 minutes in, but I didn’t come here to try to teach anybody anything. I’m just trying to give us a forum. And our intention is to do this every week because the questions accumulate. And that way, someone other than myself can help think about them.

Anybody on the call have anything else to say or question to ask? Because now is the time and I’ll unmute you and we’ll have it out here for people to comment on.

And I’ll post this video, so who knows? Maybe some other people in our group … We’re pushing 2,000 members now in 40-something countries. We’ve got so many specialties and multiple medical schools, lot of smart people just like you guys are. So, maybe we can get other questions or other ideas.

But anybody have any other questions?

Okay, well I’m on stand-by and I hope this was helpful. And I’ll post the video, and we’ll try to do this every week. So if there’s something that comes in between, this will be the place to get it answered.

Honored to help out, and you guys have a good week. Bye-bye.

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